Okay, so after almost ten years of living in these United States and I have just encountered my first serious case of prejudice.
In St Louis.
In this allegedly Christian heartland of America. Go figure…
This afternoon, Alexis picked me up at the training facility and we were walking from the building to the car. When we got to the car, I fiddled with my laptop case as I hoisted it into the trunk while Alexis walked on ahead to the passenger side door.
A gray van pulled up slowly next to the car, and a woman leaned out of the driver side window to ask Alexis a question. I wasn’t paying much attention, but I perked up when I heard Alexis saying, “Yes, we are married.”
I turned around to listen to the conversation.
The woman was white, middle-aged, and looked non-descript. The van she was driving was a large conversion van, and it had a handicap placard hanging from the rear-view mirror. She asked Alexis again if we were married, and when Alexis said we were, the woman said to Alexis, “oh my God… you are in for a world of trouble.”
We were smiling, not knowing what to make of the situation. Alexis asked, “well… why?”
The woman said, to Alexis, ignoring me standing beside Alexis, “Well, isn’t he from, like, Pakistan?”
And so Alexis said, “Well, India actually.”
The woman said, “Oh, well, if he takes you back to his country, you know you might never come back, right?”
Alexis laughed, and said pleasantly, “Well, actually, that would be okay with us, we are planning on leaving the country at some point any way and living overseas.”
The woman looked stunned, and still looking at Alexis and ignoring me completely, said, “oh my God… oh my God…”
So, I chimed in and said, “Well… that’s what we say too!”
The woman glanced at me with this look of incredulousness, and then said again, “oh my God… you are in for a world of trouble…”
So I asked, “yes, we know, but we kinda feel like the world is wide open to us… right?”
The woman ignored me, turned back to Alexis and said, “Yes, but, in his country they oppress women. You will be oppressed there as an American woman, you know?”
At this point I noticed that the woman had this colorful cross hanging around her neck, so I asked her : “Excuse me ma’am, I notice you have a cross hanging around your neck, are you a Christian?”
The woman said, “Yes…?”
So I said, “I suggest you read the Bible and find out what God says about that.”
The woman goes, “About what?”
I said, “I suggest you read the Bible about living in oppression and living in a world of trouble.”
And the woman said, “you don’t know what you are talking about!”, and then to Alexis, “they oppress women in that culture.”
So I said, “Ma’am, you don’t know my culture, and you don’t know what you are talking about, in my opinion your culture oppresses women far worse than my culture.”
“What do you mean??!”, exclaimed the woman.
I said, “Your culture forces women to be treated as sex objects.”
The woman laughed and said, “I can assure you, I have never been forced to be a sex object.”
At which point I so badly wanted to retort, “I can see why.”
But I am glad I didn’t.
Instead I said, “Ma’am, I suggest you reconnect with your community.”
The woman said, haughtily, “Oh I am VERY connected with my community.”
And I said, “Ma’am, I suggest you mind your own business.”
She said to Alexis, “Well, you take care, you are in for a world of trouble…”
and drove away.
She drove around the driveway to pick up two visually-impaired old people that walked hesitantly across the lawn to the van, and then drove off… just your average Christian woman doing good works and giving free advise to good American women that she thinks are in danger of being oppressed by chauvinistic Pakistani men.
Leaving us somewhat shaken and perturbed…
There are SO many things I wish I had said better, in hindsight. I wish I hadn’t let myself be drawn into that silly argument about culture.
I wish we had said something like, “well, yes, it’s a world of trouble, but we trust God in this reckless adventure he has us on.”
Or simply something like, “thanks for your concern, have a nice day now.”
Or maybe something like, “well actually we are both gay and are planning on getting sex change operations.”
Or even something like, “what are you talking about, I’m not from Pakistan, I’m an American from California!”
It maddens me to think how judgmental and moronic that woman’s perspective was, that she actually felt like she could drive up to two strangers and completely slam my culture like that, without knowing the first thing about my perspective on marriage and the role of women in marriage. It maddens me to think of the many conservative Christian marriages HERE where the woman is so incredibly oppressed.
But the real lesson, I feel, was to trust in God instead of feeling attacked by a prejudiced midwestern Christian bigot.
I know the path God has me on - and it is a reckless path, one where I will be misunderstood by many cultures. My home culture thinks I’m too liberal, and people around here think I am too conservative. My friends think I am religious, other Christians think I am sacrilegious. Friends that I talk with on a deeper level find me easy to talk to about deep things that are troubling them, while Christian friends think I am a reckless rebellious heretic.
It doesn’t matter - I am called to love recklessly, and today I didn’t really love that bigoted allegedly Christian woman.
We are just stunned and shaken by that encounter.
This must be what wisdom feels like - learning from experience and being a little better prepared for the next bigot we run into.
It’s just that I have always assumed that bigotry would come from the conservative nationalistic side of my Indian family back home, not from Americans here. I have just learned how arrogantly judgmental that mindset of mine has been.
I suddenly feel very much aware of just how different I am from everyone around me, how I will ALWAYS be so different from everyone around me, and once again I am deeply homesick for God’s heaven.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:00 pm
wow, Hari… there’s a lot there. That must have been pretty shocking. I agree that her lack of… well, tact, for one thing… was unfortunate and pretty rude. But isn’t it just like God to be like “here, Hari, meet midwestern woman… you guys are family now.” I’m glad you’re so uniquely God’s. I’ve also been spending a few days with my team talking about the power of the “apologetic” of real community, and dreaming with them what it would be like to truly have the entire body of Christ united under one Head, approaching each other with humility and compassion… seems a long way off after a story like this, but it’s so cool to think that in God’s power, it WILL happen one day…
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:10 pm
Things Hari should have said:
1. This is only one of my wives, the other 12 are at home taking care of our 27 kids!
2. Who’s Pakistany? I’ll kill them, they are probably terrorists! Point him out to me, ma’am and I will get the local authorities.
3. How much is the weed? Because you must be smokin’ somethin!
4. We just flew out here from Logan. It wasn’t as rough of a ride as I thought it would be!
5. Ma’am have you seen my back pack!
6. Does that cross symbolize, “simplemindedness” or just “ignorant bitch!”?
7. (The Holy Number) - Hey, I am not circumsized! Wanna see?
August 24th, 2006 at 6:20 am
Thanks guys
John, I also wanted to say, in a thick Arab accent, “What are you talking about, oppression? This is wife number 4, out of 751, and that is a big honor in my culture!”
We were thinking later - I mean, what did the woman want us to do, divorce??
Claire, about that “apologetic” community, yeah, I guess we never realized just how recklessly adventurous we were by simply being in an intercultural marriage, and how many cultural viewpoints we would be shattering simply by living out our marriage as God has called us to. I thought, simplemindedly enough, that we would be living a reckless message for those not familiar with God’s living kingdom. In my simpleminded binary way, I kinda assumed people familiar with the kingdom would just “get it”.
I guess God just gave us a bit of a wake-up call : nobody “gets it”, not even us, all we’re called to do is love and trust. You’re right - I didn’t treat that woman like family, and actually I see a pattern, I tend to NOT treat other Christians like family if they don’t “get it”. And, indeed, that is a far way from the humility and compassion you described.
Funnily enough, I tend to treat everyone ELSE like family, I just get really mad at Christians who don’t get it. Perhaps this was a wake-up call for me to stop being a hypocrite and treat everyone with humility and compassion, not just “non-believers”.
August 24th, 2006 at 7:52 am
Heh.
I’m with Claire, it’s a sad commentary on how broken our “body” of believers is in this country. I imagine that this woman will go back to her “God-fearing women’s group” or her church or whatever and talk about this poor woman she ran into and they’ll all pray ferverently for her to see the light and for the savages to realize how evil they are or something…
The sad part to me is that I would guess that she really believed that she was doing something good for God there. So here we are discussing it, and you have two Christians (I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt here…) running into each other, and walking away thinking “boy are they a MESS”, not at all enriched by the encounter. It’s sad.
I admire your post-encounter response Hari. I tend to hate people like that in the moment, but I don’t always come around, so cheers.
Lastly, to add to John’s list:
“So, when you see Jesus on the cross, do you think ‘there’s one less middle easterner to worry about’?”
“Can you hold this package for me?”
“Thank you for only addressing my wife. I don’t speak crazy.”
“You’re right, we need to cleanse ourselves and do pennance. Are there any nearby abortion clinics we could barricade, or gay people we could stone?”
August 24th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
Hari,
I am so sorry.
Welcome to the American South/Midwest/mindless/cultural-tunnel vision we call Christian.
I am so sorry.
I have always thought of you as Indian, first, a geek, second, and a genuine, world Christian, third. You are a man of many nations with a heart for the lost. This woman, obviously, being one of them. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive her and sleep tonight.
Were you in the UK no one would ever notice anything. [NO, this does not mean Alexis can leave the office..., EVER. Babies on the desk, remember?]
This poor woman, besides being a busy-body, seemed to view life as a problem, with no thought of living beyond her own truncated existence in the broader community of faith. Sadly, she doesn’t believe the Bible where it is written that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male or female, or whatever. She saw only problems with living outside HER BOX.
Personally, I am glad you live outside of yours. And I am proud to call you FIEND…, er, FRIEND.
Abdul
August 24th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Thanks for the kind and thought-provoking (and downright on the dime hilarious) comments
You know, I just thought of another thing I SHOULD have done - a lot of the madness came about because I lost my temper and jumped into the discussion, but actually Alexis was doing quite well holding her own in response to the woman’s questions.
My wife has a real gift for handling difficult or controversial conversations with people who don’t see things her way. For example, my friend Dan and I have gotten into arguments because I’ve lost my temper about his perspective on things, but Alexis and Dan’s wife Ning have had great conversations on more controversial topics instead of shouting matches.
So, yesterday, the woman was clearly intent on addressing Alexis, not me, and I should have let Alexis continue to handle the conversation. That’s another thing I’ve learned from that encounter - I need to work as a team with Alexis and know when to step back and let HER exercise HER wisdom and gifts and talents instead of stepping in to “protect” her (only to promptly lose my tempter, another area I should improve in).
Or I could have said to Alexis, in a thick Arab accent, “Wife, by the beard of the prophet, do not speak in public!”
That would have gone over well
August 25th, 2006 at 9:36 am
LOL!
Wow. Praying for you guys.
August 25th, 2006 at 12:53 pm
NOTE: All Scripture below is from the NASB translation.
Yo Har-ster! I don’t know what to say to this…I’m sorry you had to go through it. Having lived in the midwest for three years, I can assure you that not all midwestern Christian women are like that! Is this woman even a Christian? We of course don’t know that answer, but it certainly isn’t safe to say that just because someone says they’re a Christian, then they’re a Christian. Only God knows for sure. If she is a Christian, then what comes to mind is, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). Other verses that come to mind:
“This you know, my beloved brethren But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.”–James 1:19-20
“A gentle answer turns away wrath,
But a harsh word stirs up anger.”–Proverbs 15:1
I know, I know, it’s easy to say this after the fact, and there have soooo many times that someone’s said something to me, I’ve responded, only to realize later that I responded in totally the wrong way. And I’m not trying to say that you responded the wrong way–that’s between you & God. Just trying to give us something to think about. I’ll be praying!